In summary: every programmer/developer/software engineer is not a hacker and you don't have to be a software-hacker to be a hacker. If you want to learn the history of the term rather than try to define it, that would be great, rather than just debating it.
I appealed to the history of it! If Eric and friends arrived at the term "hacker" through means other than the word "hack" i'd honestly love to know how, but like I said, his writing doesn't touch on it at all apart from to say that him and his friends started as a bunch of hobbiests. The best I can do is surmise that as hobbiests they believed they were crudely cutting and shaping software. What else would be it be? An Acronym? Happy Automation Creation Kids?
Discussion with someone who disagrees requires debate to settle the matter. We apparently disagree. Either debate or remain silent on it.
> Discussion with someone who disagrees requires debate to settle the matter.
> Either debate or remain silent on it.
I disagree with you. I provided evidence showing that Eric wrote a dictionary of jargon including the term "hacker". I see no other reason to continue this debate because you obviously cannot click on the link to read what I provided, and I'm not going to take the time to copy and paste every detail here, which I won't force you to read anyway if you don't want to.
I do not have to remain silent, and you just contradicted yourself when you both said that someone had to debate if they disagreed but at the same time had the option to be silent. Did you ever take a class in logic? It would serve you well to study it.
>I do not have to remain silent, and you just contradicted yourself when you both said that someone had to debate if they disagreed but at the same time had the option to be silent. Did you ever take a class in logic? It would serve you well to study it.
I said it was required to settle the matter. I didn't say the matter had to be settled. Have you studied reading comprehension? It's incredibly useful!
>I provided evidence showing that Eric wrote a dictionary of jargon including the term "hacker".
He wrote something and called it a dictionary. Great! I can do that. Anyone can do that. It's not a credential. It's enough to garner interest, and like I said, I read the entry, but writing something and slapping Dictionary as a heading is hardly evidence of that thing being true. That evidence is what he fails to even try to provide. I have provided a definition of both the word hack and how the suffix -er functions. Neither seem to be in dispute so the idea that there's disagreement over the combination is frankly nuts.
He is an authority on hacking and jargon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_S._Raymond
In summary: every programmer/developer/software engineer is not a hacker and you don't have to be a software-hacker to be a hacker. If you want to learn the history of the term rather than try to define it, that would be great, rather than just debating it.