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Average worker now logs off at 4 p.m. on Fridays (axios.com)
70 points by mji on March 31, 2024 | hide | past | favorite | 93 comments


The graph shows a significant shift in behavior (not just on Fridays) in Q1 2023, i.e. when many many companies initiated mass layoffs. I'm not surprised, as this lines up with my own observations in personal life. After that, many remaining employees reevaluated their relationships with their employers and with work in general.


It goes both way. You may fear for your job and decide that works more, especially if it's a good job you want to keep or/and if the market is uncertain.


When I was in High School, back in the 90s, I took a “business management” class. The teacher had been an auditor on Wall Street, and still maintained some side work as a tax accountant for some wealthy clientele.

Every Friday, he came in with a copy of the Wall Street Journal, wearing his usual expertly tailored suit, sat at his desk in the front of the room, and asked the class “What day is it?” The class would answer in unison, “Its Friday”. “And what happens on Friday?”, he’d ask, to which we would all dutifully chant: “Absolutely nothing.”

He’d open his paper and we had the rest of period to do whatever, so long as it didn’t result in him being interrupted.

White collar fucking off on Fridays is nothing new.


Was it a good class overall?

I.e., was it an educational win to have him as a teacher despite his Fridays policy?


It was, IMO, a great class.


True. 15 years ago when I was working at a large digital storage vendor, the joke was that Friday afternoon was for discussing each others' weekend plans; and Monday morning was for discussing the outcomes of those plans.


There's a Russian joke that takes it up to 11 - about a new manager who is assigned to a department, and on his first day he convenes an all-hands meeting and explains the new work schedule:

Monday: recuperating after the weekend

Tuesday: preparing for work

Wednesday: work

Thursday: recuperating after work

Friday: preparing for the weekend

After the presentation, he asks the audience if they have any question. The most senior employer rises and asks, "So wait, you mean we're going to toil like horses EVERY WEDNESDAY NOW???!"

(As far as I can tell, this dates back to Soviet times at least, if not earlier.)


Friday's when we all work for the government anyway (the last 20% of the workweek). ;p


> Productivity dips on Fridays — especially in the afternoon — whether workers are in offices or at home, researchers at Texas A&M found

The study in question is from the 2017-2018 period which kind of breaks the premise of the whole article.

Also from the same study, to nobody's surprise:

> The study’s findings suggest that fatigue and stress can accumulate throughout the workweek, potentially leading to decreased productivity, particularly on Fridays


Fatigue and stress in the modern workplace certainly doesn’t get wiped out to zero by Sunday night. Personally I’m looking for early retirement


Do you think slacking off a little has changed with the massive shift to work from home?


Absolutely, instead of pretend-work and twiddling thumbs people simply log off at the end of their shift, or take breaks when necessary. It seems much healthier to me vs traditional power plays over working hours that result in no benefit for anyone.


I've telecommuted for most my career, long before covid, and there's so many perks of working from home that I forget until I'm back in the office. Little things like throwing in a load of laundry while I wait for circleci or being able to knock out 20 pushups or stretch while I'm thinking about a problem. I can cook homemade meals instead of having to meal prep (or eat out if I don't get the chance).

At the end of the week, I come back to a home that's been neglected and have to spend a chunk of the weekend getting things back in order before the next week starts. Working from home means I can do five minutes here, ten minutes there, and the place stays clean.

And because I've been doing it so long, I'm more productive and more relaxed at home. Working from home is a skill, and if the industry could just make up their minds and commit to it, more people would develop that skill and productivity would equalize or increase.


It works for self-motivated people.


Doesn't everything?


The self-motivated were likely a hindrance during the building of the pyramids. Scientists are still investigating what time the pyramid builders logged off.


Anecdotally, after lunch on Friday has always been low productivity.

No deploys allowed also really reduces any urgency among devs.


Also measuring productivity is difficult in many cases. I can sometimes be more productive just thinking in the shower in the morning than I am copying text from one place to another.


the 9-5 is dead.

My hours are more like 8-2 or 9-1. Sometimes I log off after lunch.

Remote work is awesome. No more dealing with impatient dick heads on the road. No more contributing to the destruction of the local environment via tail pipe emissions or tire wear particles. More importantly more time to spend with family, friends, or personal projects. Overall happiness is increased.

I’ll never understand the reasonings behind forced RTO. Is it a hidden financial gain for CEOs to fill the offices? Is it a false flag op to “appease” stock holders (“hey guys pandemic over, we are working to returning to normal. Pardon any poor quarterly results for the year”)?

Leaked Amazon doc shows reduced physical office footprint saved company billions.

All data is showing forced RTO policies are counter intuitive and counter productive.


The office I’m at receives significant tax benefits from meeting targets for person-days in the office per year. This is a pretty common arrangement, I think.

[edit] in fact, at certain times they’ve had to shift workers around when new buildings have been completed to meet occupancy targets for whatever benefits they’re getting, before they have enough new hires or transfers to really use the space. Just shuffling people a few hundred meters away so the compliance forms have the right numbers. Total joke.


The most ridiculous make work rule I've ever had was being forced to use objects instead of functions because it was apparently easier to claim oop code as capex than fp code.


I don’t even necessarily like my coworkers, but the idea of spending five days a week not leaving my house except for in the evenings just isn’t appealing to me. Two or three days in the office is the sweet spot, for me anyway.


This is why I moved to the city instead of buying a piece of shit sfh out in the burbs.

walk to my fav pub, and fuck around. Or even better take a walk around the city parks and enjoy the views in the middle of the day. Maybe even get more exercise in for the day or walk the dog.


Sure, and I love going out in the evenings like I said. But it’s just weird to me that people want to just stay home all day and only go out in the evening every weekday.


I think for a lot of people “going out” when it’s to the office isn’t exactly a good thing. Like being at home isn’t somehow less pleasant than that. Neither’s “going out”.

And depending on your job you can go out to actual normal non-forced social spaces while working “from home”, some of the time.


I hate WFH, but I love my employer.

I tend to go to a coffee shop most days for a few hours. Some days I'll go to a public library, or a co-working space.

As a young, single person, staying at home for 4-6 hours every day is soul sucking. I can see it being very appealing to anyone with a family, though.


I’ll take staying at home over dreadful commutes or sitting in traffic any day.

Also invested significant money into wfh setup. Monitors, chair, standing desk. Much better at home than whatever shit office managers buy at the surplus store


Honestly cities are great, cars kind of suck though


I find people tiring to deal with constantly so enjoy being isolated by doing WFH permanently. I guess the years of dealing with noisy, overcrowded offices sucks the life from you. I don't like drama at all in the work environment. I am there to perform utility not to play politics, which I find so boring.


I have to go to the office in my town to work remotely with my teams in New York and India. I sit at a desk and code all day. Everyone around me works in some other department/team and I never engage with them except maybe in the break room. What is the point of this requirement? I don’t know but it’s making me search for a new job


That’s insane. Hybrid only works if everyone else is doing it on the team.


You’re allowed to leave your house. I go to the store, the gym, go for a walk, whatever I feel like during the day. As long as I don’t miss any “important” calls


Look at the current Commercial Real Estate collapse, e.g. Canadian pension fund sold its stake in a NY office building for $1 recently, and that's just the start. That's the why for public policies of forced RTO.


Also tax credits based on bodies at office per week.


How do you do that? Are you able to complete all your tasks in just over half the time? Aren't there meetings after lunch. What about coworkers trying to contact you during (the rest of) their workday.


Time is not even an approximate measure of productivity. I don't know about you, but everybody I know gets way more work done in early hours than in later hours, just as an example.


You’re not paid for 9-5 hours. You’re paid to get the job done. Sometimes that takes two hours. Sometimes it’s ten hours plus a weekend. It’s very easy to identify (and fire) workers that don’t honor this system.


I get this logic, but in software development there is effectively an infinite and continually growing list of tasks to do. A lot of large and popular software projects on Github are not closing issues at a faster rate than they accrue.


The challenge is software development is planning out software development years in advance. Moving up the deadline years in doesn’t really help anyone because marketing and sales won’t have planned around your new date (see: the surprise release of the Sega Saturn). What matters is being able to stay on track and get back on track.


From my experience there's always more tickets you can pick up.


Personally I’m just more efficient and happen to have people around me be very independent and competent. Having decent project management helps as well.

Team is well aware of the product and confident. Very very rare to have knowledge colocated within a specific member of the team.

All or most knowledge is well documented as well.

On the very rare instance I am actually needed to put out a fire. We have “on-call” rotations (pager duty).


Just for reference this is an exception, not the norm.

1pm is when my meetings end (to the extent that I can control) and I can get to work on my real work for the day. This includes meeting with fellow independent and competent developers to ship features. Our software is also in high demand


Does your company care if you're "available"? I'm supposed to keep my slack dot green during working hours.

I think the awesomeness of remote work really depends on the company culture. If you're in a meeting heavy environment, it may be pure hell for anyone trying to do technical work. If someone schedules 3 meetings with a half hour or more in between, the whole day might be shot.


I never am visible on Teams and it doesn't stop people from reaching out, so I think the default, despite dot color, is to be available.


crazy, I'm still doing 8-5

on occasion i leave a little early but i also often get in early. I WFH 2 days a week.. it suits me fairly well.

What I'd really prefer though is to take my LSL one day a week.. have three day weekends every weekend. I feel that two days off followed by five on is feeling like I'm scraping the edges of the bottom of the barrel.


> My hours are more like 8-2 or 9-1. Sometimes I log off after lunch.

> I'll never understand the reasonings behind forced RTO.

Uh, the first excerpt might help answer the question you pose in the second.


Yeah nobody ever goofed off in the office. Never happened.

Honestly if this person does all their work and does it well and just works really fast, that’s great. I’d keep them. Performance matters not hours.

If they’re fucking around and underperforming they’ll eventually get laid off. Don’t see how their work location matters that much either way. Someone who sucks at home probably sucks in an office too.


I don’t understand. All work is completed for the day (or even the next couple of days…).

What’s the point of staying logged into a computer staring at nothing?


You are literally defrauding your employer. The fact that you should be available, but aren't, alone is enough to make sure of that.


It's not necessarily defrauding, depends on if the person in question is paid hourly or salaried, and if salaried the expected work hours.

An hourly employee (several got fired at my last office for this, contractors who were not salaried) who shows up late in the morning and leaves early in the afternoon and claims an 8-hour day, yeah, that's defrauding. A salaried employee without a contractual requirement for 8-hours at their desk, then not fraud (maybe won't win them points with peers and supervisors, but not fraud).


There’s no mention of the terms of his employment, how are you so certain?


Employers almost always pay you for working an average amount each week, anything else is extremely rare. Alternatives are usually common for self employed, but then there is no employer.

If he self reports weekly hours or they are just assumed he is commiting fraud. If he correctly reports his worked hours his wages will obviously get cut to represent the hours worked and lead to swift termination as he is violating the contract he signed.


> If he correctly reports his worked hours his wages will obviously get cut

Why do you think he’s reporting hours and getting paid hourly? This is pretty uncommon in my experience, usually people work a salaried job where they’re paid in terms of an entire year. They don’t report their hours, that’s typically considered a toxic work environment in software development. For example at AWS we take turns being on-call every couple weeks and reporting hours would look absolutely ridiculous, it would be something like 80 hour work weeks.

It’s kind of like if you and your wife insisted that you report how many articles of clothing you’ve each folded or how many dishes you put away each day. When one of you ends up doing a bit more or less, it’s not “defrauding” the other


“Defrauding my employer” — a bit dramatic, buddy. You must be a micromanager.

You know what’s also “fraudulent”? Wasting my time.

Time I will never get back. Time that you can never buy. Time that I will never spend with family/friends. I will never get back the hours lost to commuting to a stupid office.

Who’s “defrauding” who at this point?


>a bit dramatic, buddy.

No. It is factually true. You refuse to meet your contractual obligations towards your employer, but represent to him that you have met them. That absolutely is "fraud".

>You know what’s also “fraudulent”? Wasting my time.

No it isn't. It is not fraud to waste your time.

>Who’s “defrauding” who at this point?

You are defrauding your employer. Lying to your employer about the time you work is fraud. Your employer wasting your time does not under any circumstances count as fraud. In fact you signed a contract which explicitly allows your employer to tell you what to do with your time, including telling you to waste it e.g. by sitting in front of a PC waiting for someone to talk to you about something. If you don't like what he tells you to do you have options, but refusing to work and representing to him that you have worked is not an option you have, without commiting fraud.

There is no world in which you are not committing fraud. And there is no world in which your employer is defrauding you.


> No. It is factually true. You refuse to meet your contractual obligations towards your employer, but represent to him that you have met them. That absolutely is "fraud".

I wonder if you're referring to jobs outside of the U.S.?

Salaried software developers in the U.S. typically don't have actual contracts.


You have an explicit contract. Employment which defines job requirements and pay. You sign it with your offer letter. It is usually very light in nature.

As an exempt salaried employee you can simply check your email and (legally, backed by case law) call it a day of work. In an at-will state an employer can let you go for any reason. The contract is favorable to both parties at the same time


How can you be an employee without having a contract?


In the US, most employees do not really have "contracts." You'll generally get an offer letter that you return to accept the job, but it's not a legally binding contract. You're an at-will employee.


So, companies can just not pay their employees? And employees can do whatever they want with no recourse by their employer?


No. If the employee doesn't do what the employer wants, they are at-will and can be fired. Payment / wages is covered by labor laws and can result in legal problems if not corrected.


>Payment / wages is covered by labor laws

How are wages defined, if not by a contract?


It’s in your offer letter. You can read up on how this differs from a legal contract.


This is a good point. Wasting lots of people’s time is quite a bit worse than completing all your work to your employer’s satisfaction but not twiddling your thumbs for a few extra hours, so we shouldn’t use the same terms for the two things.


Then dissolve your contract.


Why are you so bothered by an arrangement that seems to be agreeable to those actually involved in it?


I have no “contractual obligation” to sit in front of a computer between 9-5. My obligations were clearly stated in JD and offer letter. Seems like you are projecting what ever shit situation you are in onto others. I didn’t sign anything about whatever shit you are talking about or making up.

Again, you are very dramatic. Everything you have said hinges on the fact that “yOu hAvE tO be 100% aVaIlAbLe dUrInG 9 tO 5”. This is not the case.

If there are employers out there that do this. Their priorities are not on delivering a usable product but using other people to make themselves feel better (surrounding themselves with yes people, lol)


Maybe I am projecting German labor law onto this, sure. But I suspected that, if anything, German labor law would be more accommodating to employees. If you are correct than I think that I'd wrong though and the law actually favors employers quite heavily, who actually have demands of you that you have to contractually agree to.

>If there are employers out there that do this. Their priorities are not on delivering a usable product but using other people to make themselves feel better (surrounding themselves with yes people, lol)

This isn't something an employer or employee decides. My contract is essentially a single page stating my salary, days of and saying that labor laws apply. There is no actual alternative I have.


Only if we assume companies can't measure employees' productivity and output, only their hours of butt-in-chair. Is that true?


4 day work weeks are the way to go. When I have 3 consecutive days to relax I'm 100% more recharged then when I have two. It's not even close.


Two days isn’t even a break, it’s just necessary time to catch up on the work of maintaining a household so you at least start the work week not living in a falling-down house full of dirty clothes and garbage.

Especially with kids.

WFH helps a ton with that, though. Can make dinners during the week instead of prepping on the weekend as much (do most of your mise during a meeting or something), don’t lose time to a commute so there’s more time to get stuff done during the week, get a couple loads of laundry run when it’s time to stand up and stretch and look away from the screen for a few minutes anyway, et c. It saves the weekend for actual relaxation, or at least more of it for that.


> living in a falling-down house full of dirty clothes and garbage.

This is my life, and I just accept it now. I've tried so hard to change. I've tried to balance it all. I don't/can't care anymore. My place is always a wreck and so be it. I only have two days to myself and I value other things in life more.


Hmm...In this new era of mostly WFH, the boundaries between work and life are blurring, at least for me. My work day starts at 8AM and goes all the way to around 12PM, with my other daily life chores/activities interleaved throughout the day.

Even during weekends, I put aside hours replying to lower priority emails and completing other work commitments that may have piled up from the week before.

If anything, this WFH movement has led to more hours worked/higher productivity for me (and my immediate colleagues).


What do you do with all of your free time?


The biggest thing about the whole commute is the delayed negative impact to health in general.

This is of course worse in Asian cities with super congested traffic. When you spend 2-3 hours/day commuting, it becomes very hard to maintain a regular workout schedule.

A commute time of perhaps 20 minutes one way is manageable. Anything beyond that simply eats into your quality of life, really.


And make it a 20-30 minute bike ride...

the traffic will not delay you; only deep snow or civil disaster will stop you; you will save money on gas; you may not need a car at all; you will get fit; you will save 30-minutes of going to the gym; you will suffer less from stress; you will achieve at least 2 things every single day; you may also be in nature, go through a park, or along a beach - if you are lucky, or deliberately choose your dull jobs wisely, to get a premium commute.


The article doesn't say whether the tracked workers are hourly or salaried, but it makes a big difference.

The article also doesn't touch on total hours worked during the week, but that makes a big difference, too.

If hourly workers are logging off early on Friday, it could be because they've already put in enough hours earlier in the week that they'd be veering into overtime territory if they were to work late on Friday, and so it's their employer, rather than them, who is making the call.

But if it's salaried workers who are logging off early on Friday, it's likely because they recognize that working late on a Friday isn't actually going to accomplish much (especially if others are leaving early, too) and so it's not worth putting in the extra time.


When I worked in the UK in the 1980s, lunchtimes were occupied with one of two activities...

Monday-Thursday, we would go for a run, often alone on our individual schedules, but sometimes in a group. The target was a pub a few miles away. We would sprint down the hill, touch the pub, and run back up to the site. It was a serious pursuit, there was a fiercely contested leader-board maintained in the office. New junior hires were challenged to beat the old-beards - many of which were ex-military, very proud, and very hard to beat.

Friday, we would would drive to a pub (occasionally the same hallowed turn, but often some other local hostelry), have a long lunch, drink a few beers (most of us did not have to drive home), and discuss old times, new technology, big projects, legendary deadlines that were beaten, and stories about sport or running. What was left of Friday afternoon was just tidying-up work and a some admin, combined with a little chit-chat about the venues and parties that would occupy the weekend.


I was at Nvidia GTC and attended a panel about AI regulation where one of the panelist was a local congressman from bay area. He said to the effect that he is an avid supporter of the 4-day work week and that AI may just be the catalyst for the shift to go mainstream.

I think it is high time the society looks into this as a way for it to be more productive as counterintuitive as it may sound.


I'd rather retire early.

Personally, I find it hard to be productive with a 4-day workweek.

I think we should push to lower the retirement age instead of shortening the workweek.


Hell no. "Put off living until you're 60" is the hypercrunch polar opposite of "live a balanced life at all times".


That's retiring 10 years early. I really enjoy my career, and I'd like to enjoy my retirement with a younger body.


Since WFH started I've come to find it futile to expect much of anything to happen after lunch on Fridays.


Do you want important things happening on a Friday afternoon? If a change creates a problem then something is broken all weekend or you're working Saturday. If everyone is tired by Friday then any work done won't be as good of quality as work done earlier in the week.

Fridays should be used for sync up meetings, planning for the following week, and retrospectives on the last however many weeks of work. Any of those meetings should be earlier in the day. The only communication out of any of that should be latency tolerant (questions won't be answered until Monday at the earliest).

This allows people to check out earlier on Fridays if they need/want. Forcing butts in seats until the quitting bell rings is a waste of everyone's time.


When do people log on?

I know after going fully remote I started working earlier in the day.


I log on later... like often to the point of being late. Some days, I log in and go back to sleep for an hour or so. I'm not built for a "career."

I'm a night-owl kind of person, and I just can't make myself function any differently. Remote work greatly benefits me with a relaxed time schedule, since no matter when I log on/go to work, my brain doesn't start working until about 1:00pm/13:00.


That late? Wow.


You stop doing shit around lunch.

4’s just when enough other people have left or logged off that you feel like you’ve got some herd protection doing the same.


And what about M, T, W, and/or Th work to 8 or 9?


interesting, how about we check the stats next friday?


Few random notes to help me through a discussion (if happen) trying to form a coherent picture:

- observation 1 :: it's nothing new we tend to work less, there are studies divided by cohort of age for instance stating newer generations do work less, engage less than older ones for instances (sorry I do not have a link at hand) and it's not new the sentiment "we work to live, not live to work", I generally add that before people know they can get more working more, for the entire life, i.e. people know they can slowly improve their lives working hard. With the declared WEF agenda "in 2030 you'll own nothing", with evident push toward smart-cities populated of evident de-facto slaves who are bound in an assembly line, earning to live, consuming all they earn in services they need, no heritage, no ownership, anything is decided outside the smart-city/forced labor camp and those inside are just obedient slaves those who think this will happen feel NO REASON to work since their work can't improve their condition for their life and get passed to newer generations;

- observation 2 :: despite a very obscene business-driven digital evolution against the civil society, tailored to reach the no-ownership, no-competence, no-future slaves model, a real Fordlandia, not Telosa, Arkadag, Prospera, Innopolis, tomorrow NY, SF, ... things start to be digital a little bit, meaning a gazillion of classic tasks that classically demand much work to be done now are quick or even automated, in other terms we need to work much less in various fields, and managers cray in tears that less enslaved workers start to care about their life as people not they work-life as life;

- observation 3 :: there is a dichotomy in our society between "those from the old generation" who reject the digital world, generally oppressed by those who rightly push digitization BUT for their own economical and political agendas against all the others and those who feel the potential power of the digital model but cry against the "old generation" who fighting it allow it's evolution in a way AGAINST the most instead of unite and pretend a good evolution for all, this create an immense amount of stress between two cohort and as a result fatigue, those from "the old generation" are tired of the modern life, those from the "digital" one are tired of a slow and bad evolution due to a small cohort of kleptocrats and a large cohort of luddites, and both cohorts can't fight their enemies, giving up instead "in the end we will all be dead" or "pulvis sumus et in pulverem reverteris";

To solve this issue the recipe for me is clear: we need to envisage a good future. We need to own our life, so we need deurbanization not in the USA model of suburbs but in the "Riviera model" of the EU, meaning spread homes AND workspace intermixed, with a string push to the home office, meaning homes where most people work and live in the same place, NOT just from remote, meaning a dentist have a home at II floor and it's cabinet at I floor, customers came from one side, personal life on the other, laundry have the working area in the basement, the residential area upstairs and so on, for eligible professions, while small buildings at short distance do the rest and only few districts exists, heading as much as possible to the dark factory model for the rest we can't do otherwise so far. This model is a nightmare for the 1% because service and enslavement industry plunge on it, no one buy the sharing economy, no one choose Uber or JustEat in this model and so on, people understand the value of ownership and do not want to came back, while terrifies the most because they fear the change and the responsibility of ownership, being slaves means having nothing to think, not feeling the pressure of the commandment and most aren't really adult enough to self-organize their lives. But that's is. This is the best model, potentially very easy to adapt to a changing world IMVHO.

Keeping up today trends we will end up in a broken dystopi than can't last longer.


> we need deurbanization not in the USA model of suburbs but in the "Riviera model" of the EU, meaning spread homes AND workspace intermixed, with a string push to the home office, meaning homes where most people work and live in the same place

I think you have something here. I'm not sure I agree with the "deurbanization" idea, and I'm not sure what this "Riviera" style would be, but I do note that some of what you're describing is also possible in urban environments, for example in Asian cities (or European cities a few generations back, the ancestral knowledge of which has been forgotten), where sole proprietors and family businesses operated in the way you describe. Moreover, it's possible in second and third tier American cities, where prices have not forced out ordinary people. Indeed, there are many semi-abandoned towns with good urban cores, ready to be revitalized, a la Strongtowns.

Individual ownership is entirely achievable in such places, but it does also hinge on a degree of coordination with others, because no one person can single-handedly bring a Main Street back to life and make it desirable again; a critical mass is required. It is this failure of individuals and small businesses to coordinate that makes them easy prey for the megacorps creating our dystopia.

Possibly a new mechanism for social organization in the vein of the joint stock corporation, HOA, traditional Chamber of Commerce, or even city government could solve the problem. Maybe that's what we need: Small-town mayors with the attitude of CEOs (let us not be led down the path of messiahs/fuhrers, however). Something requiring more active civic participation. (Perhaps the multiplication of university administrators can also be seen as symptomatic of students' abandonment of self-government. Is this because they are too diverse to form a democratic collective with a collective will? Or are the muscles just unexercised?) This requires more thought, or, better, more active experimentation.

I do see an objection to over-urbanization, which is that a too-large city becomes divorced from its agricultural surrounds, becomes food-insecure, dependent on outside sources of food -- at which point the giant agricorps enter. A more permaculture-type vision is appealing, but it doesn't seem compatible with cities over a certain size.

Smallish cities and largish towns, however, can be totally compatible with this style, and nearly all European cities fall into this category (they are all small).

Stepping back just a little, I do also think you're onto something with your emphasis on defining a future. That's why this kind of musing may have some thing value: Perhaps it helps in the imagining of such a future.

It must lead to action and experimentation, however, to really be valuable.


Thanks and sorry for my poor English, re-reading my post well... makes me see the mess... Since "Riviera model" is not something "formally described" in literature I suggest looking at French Riviera (Mediterranean northern part of France costs) or old Riviera Ligure or Riviera Romagnola (Italy), you'll see a series of old villages that in the past was distinct with their own shops, activities, services, but being grown they have touched each other forming a kind of single spread area, still subdivided administratively, but you do not notice any division except for some road signs and you see a continuous mix of single family homes, a small shed witch is a small supermarket or a blacksmith or a furnishings/windows maker, carpenter, small construction company, ... in a valley a glass factory making both window glass, bottles, in another a solid waste company and so on, a sort of graph where nodes are are here residential, here business of any kind ad if you take no matter witch node you still see around in a near range essentially any service you might need and various kind of local jobs available.

Some people are static, but most move, in the end an area or another looks like the same, following a relatively alive and kicking small scale real estate, moving means keeping change the local service/works mix, plans to avoid too much concrete in a natural landscape force such move avoiding concentration and the "spread" area is still dense enough to offer anything, but not to dense to stop evolution, so a shed of a supermarket today became a home tomorrow and an old home became a new shed for a blacksmith etc. A kind on unstable equilibrium that while it keep change at a higher zoom level it's pretty stable.

I speak about it because as a former young ex globetrotter that have seen many big cities and some years ago having choose a different life in French Alps I see this model as the most effective I've seen all other the world. Around me I have essentially al services, still being in nature, having at a short range a little Silicon Valley (Sophia Antipolis), not too far a local nuclear research center, various touristic amenities, a gazillion of small companies with most people living a relaxed and still productive life, with very wealthy an somewhat poor people living not more distant than in a big city and no too much different living condition to fracture the still moderately dense society.

Meanwhile on EU cities, well, they are simply too dense to been able to evolve. Most are old mess where any change is a nightmare, just digging the ground to repair a pipe it's a mess: nobody clearly knows whats under the ground to a point that's perfectly normal having here and there an HV electricity cable cut by a excavator hitting it (old lines have no warning signal above them), or a pipe cut while repairing the HV line and so on. Cities to spend big money just to change small areas even making here and there good results, but they are still unable to offer good quality of leaving and no path to really evolve. In the end despite all the advertisement about future cities the green new deal can't exists in them. The green new deal imply new different buildings and building them demand free space for the construction site, people relocation and so on. EU cities was designed to go by feet in work intensive jobs, now we have far less work intensive jobs and we need much more room for various stuff than the past, they are incompatible even more than large US zoned cities. It's not only a divorce from nature, all cities and most urban people do not know nature, try with some kids asking where milk came from and you'll find many saying "from the supermarket". It's the whole food industry than have to change. If you live in a spread area you go to a restaurant perhaps as frequent as in a big city but you also have food stock at home, so there is far less packing because being surrounded by nature means also being able to buy some locally made food, so it's normal for instance for me go buying olive oil at ~80km from my home in 10l can and bottle it at home, similarly for wine in demijohns, having less "quick service" it's normal to make some sausages at home so buying 30-60kg of pork, prepare and casing the meat at home, living it few days hanging in a fridge than freeze portioned the rest. This means less packing, bigger quantity, a different shopping model that perfectly match modern logistics and on-line retail, allowing still for efficient transport because once the online retail became glocal for real, so a neighborhood normally buy local product on line since they known them already local logistics and modern digital tools allow for a better efficiency than last-mile supermarkets. People move less for living while keep moving for pleasure, and economy keep turning at an efficient and not tied nor exaggerated peace.

Only aspect: the big&powerful loose to the small and medium, and they do dislike it... While many fear being "independent", knowing they are not accustomed to manage themselves, having no discipline without someone who command and put them in assembly line. This mix is IMVHO damn nasty.




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